Do We Negotiate With Rogue States?

Terrorism

Secretary of State Clinton stating August 2 that North Korea’s missile-launching provocation is the behavior of a brat. She said that “What we’ve seen is this constant demand for attention, and maybe it’s the mother in me or the experience that I’ve had with small children and unruly teenagers and people who are demanding attention — don’t give it to them, they don’t deserve it, they are acting out,” . That is why we have sent former president Bill Clinton to pick up the two journalists that North Korea had already agreed to release, thus allowing Kim Jong a nice photo op with beloved Clinton, and the local communist media to declare that along with the prestigious envoy, came a letter of apologies from Obama. Way to go and reward bad behavior! Of course there was not such letter –I hope- and of course, despite denials from the White House, this was not a private initiative. Korea 1, Community organizer 0.

Soon to come to the surface: what we gave up or exchange.

Question to you: should we bail out at any price all these people who put their lives in danger and the country at risk by ignoring the State Department travel advisories? What good did the female journalists or the Berkeley writers/hikers do to the world of news or intelligence? They took incredible risks to break the glass ceiling of journalism and report on secluded and repressive countries. They wanted to make a name for themselves…they did eventually. But what diplomatic price did we pay? Kim Jong was all smile while treating a former US President with benevolence. For a supposedly dying guy ready to vacate power, he looked energetic and talkative, on top of his game. He brought us to his own negotiation table and had us beg for the two girls. He pardoned them, meaning they are still guilty of all charges but forgiven by the good old man. And all that while Hillary, the State Secretary and wife of the envoy, was taking a firm stand against North Korea and was embroiled in a name calling game with them (she compared them to unruly teenagers and they labeled her a “funny lady, that someteime looks like a primary school girl and sometime a pensioner going shopping” They also said “her words suggest that she is by no means intelligent”.

What the hell is going on out there?

Eric Chevreuil Eric Chevreuil

16 Comments

  1. Eric  •  Aug 14, 2009 @4:05 pm

    The price we paid: it came up in the open a couple of days later; America made an opening to resume direct talk on nuclear with North Korea, changing a firm policy implemented under Bush, a US policy that basically denied North Korea a direct line of communication with Washington and force Kim Jong to deal with a six country panel, a sort of international court that has sanctionned North Korea for being rogue. For the past two decades, North Korea had dragged up in time wasting diplomatic dance and won. Basically the rule of the game as played by King Kong Jong was blackmail: give me food fand money or my people and I shut down my military nuclear labs and testing sites.”
    And we fell for it, each time, and provided the goods with Japan and South Korea, and allowed the dictator to pour more money in the program and resume it under an excuse or another. China and Russia were non-commital and making sure we would not bully the Communist ally (the enmey of my enemy is my friend sort of thing). Eventually the Bush administration put an end to the fruitless game and was involved to convince Russia and China to seat and side with us -along with Japan and South Korea- . That was not good for North Korea…Even China was now trurning against them and condeming them…that is why returning to a direct talk with them is a step back for us and world security, not a step forward. Now Kim Jong can play his game again and he excels at it because he wrote the rules!
    North Korea WILL be a nuclear power. Sleep well!

  2. eric  •  Aug 18, 2009 @11:13 pm

    I guess it is a non issue and we all agree that we must not confront bullies and that we desrve to be kicked around like the weaklings we have become.
    Keep your heads in the sand people….

    Kinder, Geniesst Den Krieg. Der Friede Wird Fürchterlich

    Children, enjoy war for peace will be dreadful!

    And make sure we cut on our military and future weapon system…you will need your healthcare! lol

  3. Gail Webber  •  Aug 19, 2009 @2:24 pm

    The negotiations that led to former President Clinton’s secret mission to North Korea began almost as soon as two U.S. journalists were seized by North Korea, and were spurred on by the Obama administration’s hope that they might lead to a resumption of disarmament talks. That’s the deal that was brokered, Eric.

    Gail Webber

  4. John Fund  •  Aug 19, 2009 @2:26 pm

    To answer your question, Eric. I would have left those two ffemale journalists to die and rot in North Korea. Who give these people the right to screw up internationally, then expect the US to come to their rescue? Like you said, it is for their personal ambition.

    John Fund

  5. Joanna Fairfield  •  Aug 19, 2009 @2:29 pm

    Those female journalists reminded me of the Pearl guy who lost his head in Iraq, looking for the “good story” to make international fame. I could care less what happen to them. If they are that stupid, let them die stupidly.

    Joanna Fairfield
    Des Moines

  6. Richard Sanford  •  Aug 19, 2009 @2:31 pm

    One of the journalists is the sister of Lisa Ling, the reporter for National Geographic. If she was an unknown, would we have gone out of our way berate ourselves to North Korea in order to win her release? That is the question, Eric.

    Richard Sanford
    North Carolina

  7. Aaron Amherst  •  Aug 19, 2009 @2:38 pm

    There was a specific deal, Eric: If the United States showed respect to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il by dispatching an emissary of significant stature to NK, the regime would release the journalists. The choice of Clinton, one of many high-profile public figures who volunteered for the assignment, met that test. I wonder how Hillary Felt? (joke).

    Aaron Amherst
    New Port, RI

  8. Maddie  •  Aug 19, 2009 @2:44 pm

    Obama was worried that the North Koreans would use Clinton’s trip to win concessions on nuclear issues. As a result, he was careful to publicly characterize the mission as a private initiative with simple humanitarian aims. You as well as I know that is BS.

    Maddie

  9. Brenda Buckley  •  Aug 19, 2009 @2:50 pm

    Bill Clinton was a perfect choice, and a safe choice. He’d handled tough North Korea issues before, and he wasn’t going to go off and do something that the secretary of State wouldn’t like. I am almost positive Hillary knew, understood and approved what was taking place.

    Brenda Lee Buckley
    Chicago

  10. HopeMonger  •  Aug 19, 2009 @2:54 pm

    Eric, I do not believe that Clinton offered Kim an apology or anything. The Obama administration doesn’t intend to ease up on the North Koreans now that they have released the journalists, but will continue trying to enforce United Nations sanctions after North Korean nuclear and missile tests. You are causing mischief with your assumptions.

    Hopemonger

  11. Bill Gillespie  •  Aug 19, 2009 @3:01 pm

    Eric, by the actions of Obama and Clinton in talking with North Korea about the yound ladies’ release, a new opening could start, for example, with bilateral talks between U.S. and North Korean officials, possibly followed later by international negotiations. Is that a wrong avenue to pursue?

    Bill Gillespie

  12. Jerry Saxz  •  Aug 19, 2009 @3:05 pm

    A 1994 visit to North Korea by President Carter led to a period of cooperation between North Korea and the U.S…until Bush screwed it up. It is all Bush’s fault, the situation we are in. Write about that.

    Jerry Saxz
    Ohio

  13. Scott Stodden  •  Aug 19, 2009 @3:09 pm

    I first of all want to say how much more I respect former President Bill Clinton and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton than what I used to. I have always been a supporter of Clinton’s all through the 90’s but I have more respect for the work they did to bring these women home. They probably were not sent to a labor camp because the Koreans love and crave attention and this hostage situation was the best way to get attention from the United States. Im so honored and proud of the work Bill Clinton did to bring these ladies home, does it tell you anything my American friends? Maybe that the Clinton’s know how to lead the country, and Hillary make sure you run as an independent in 2012 for president because with President Obama we’re heading to a whole world of trouble. Things may be lookin up right now for America but the future ramifications for the country are disastrous.

    Scott Stodden
    Freeport, IL

  14. Michael Armstrong, Sr  •  Aug 19, 2009 @3:10 pm

    Every time we negotiate a deal with North Korea they break the treaty and continue there deeds behind our backs they have more then prooved that there words are lies and the only reason they did not send those two girls to the prison camp is because they were holding them for black mail and didnt want to take a chance on them getting hurt or killed.

    Michael Armstrong, Sr

  15. Mike  •  Aug 19, 2009 @3:11 pm

    I highly doubt anything will change in our relationship with North Korea. They don’t like us, and we don’t like them. Our governments are just too different for us to truly get along. However, i support former president Bill Clinton’s tripto the country. The important thing is that the journalists are back home.

    Mike

  16. Gerald Stonebrook  •  Aug 19, 2009 @3:12 pm

    My belief in all due respect is that ex president Bill Clinton should not be involved in any US government activity present or future. Also my opinion is Hillary Clinton is not passing the muster as a secretary of state. I and so many US citizens are very distressed in seeing Bill Clinton involved in any government activity. Also the past president Jimmy Carter should not interfere with relations to any other country regarding the US government’s activities to bring about peace to any foreign country abroad. I as a US citizen pray and hope our US government can again be stronger in our military defense. Bill Clinton stripped our military closing to many US bases. North Korea is a nation we have to show power and not back down. But to find a peaceful resolution and make then stick to it. Or we are left no choice but military action in response.

    Gerald Stonebrook

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