RACIAL GAP IN EDUCATION?

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A Californian State report on State wide results in California schools showed that the origins of the “racial” educational  gap is more cultural than financial (“Tests show racial achievement gap. State results shed new light on wealth vs. poverty debate” Article by Laurel Rosenhall – Sacramento Bee Staff Writer). Basically, it demonstrated that across the State, poor white and Asian students were even faring better than their affluent and Hispanic peers. Now that the myth of poverty is out of the pictures when we talk about education, it is time to systematically include the higher achievement rate of poor and wealthy Asians in all types of studies (school performances, jobs, salaries, parent involvement, success….) to get the white man guilt out of the picture and show that education, like anything else, is a matter of culture indeed, but also of parental involvement and personal will to succeed. A kid that has been permanently treated as a victim of a system cannot succeed in that system! Low income white or Asians are attending the same schools as low income Americans of African and Hispanic ancestry. The people who succeed in a poor environment are facing the same challenges and deficiencies as their failing kin. Some say the tests are biased because oriented to the white American culture. Would the kids fare better if African history and Mexican geography was addressed? And what about the failure in math? It looks like despite their being the wealthiest African and Hispanic communities in the world, presented with the most opportunities, they end up toping the lists for failure at school, chances of contracting HIV or getting diabetes, ending up in gangs, in jail. It is more than racism, lack of money, lack of opportunities. Is Bill Cosby right when he criticizes minorities “who put higher priorities on sport, fashion, and “acting hard” than on education, self-respect, and self-improvement”.

Eric Chevreuil  Eric Chevreuil

27 Comments

  1. Eric  •  Sep 11, 2007 @3:30 pm

    Please read “Basically, it demonstrated that across the State, poor white and Asian students were even faring better than their affluent African American and Hispanic peers.”

  2. Eric  •  Sep 13, 2007 @5:24 pm

    Cool….we all agree!
    Next topic!
    What do you think of the report on Iraq?

  3. George  •  Sep 14, 2007 @11:32 pm

    Eric… I think the liberal democrats questions and response were either disgusting or treasoneous

  4. Clarence McCoy  •  Sep 15, 2007 @3:18 am

    Mr. Eric. Sometimes I wonder who was smarter, you or George. now I have to wonder who is dumber, you or George and this time, you take the cheese. Everyone except you and George knows that being black and poor in any school is a disadvantage. That it prevent them from learning; sort of like having an obstacle in your way. Why don’t you research it and find out for your self. In fact, let george do it for you.

    Clarence

  5. Jamilla  •  Sep 15, 2007 @3:29 am

    Like any stereotype or misperception… there generally lies within it a bitter piece of truth — even if it’s in disproportionate measures. what i find most troubling about this “scapegoating” article, is the complete absence of any kind of a discussion about the concrete forces actively at work, which serve to create real barricades between black folks and opportunity. These obstacles are not, at all times visiable — nor insumountable — for the some — like the “talented tenth,” but for most…(i.e., poor education and lack of resources — no books or computers TO READ… racial profiling and police brutality on the way to and from home, school, work…. job discrimination and unemployment…. institutionalized racism AND I COULD GO ON….). Eric — at best proves to be disincentive for most to individually or collectively pull themselves up by the boot-straps or worse — your article amounts to a flat out road block — even for those made of courage (See MLK and other lesser known heros and sheros
    But you wouldn’t know or understand because you are white.

    Jamilla
    Florida

  6. Joan  •  Sep 15, 2007 @3:38 am

    Eric, I would caution you and others like George, before further circulating your filth, to ask yourselves: “How much are WE perpetuating or combating the very stereotypes contained in this blog by sending it on to others… You are using Bill Cosby to do the white man’s work. HOW MUCH ARE WE DOING THE WHITE MAN’S DIRTY WORK?” In truth, isn’t that really the paternal… unconscience white supremist dream; that is, when black folks lead the charge AGAINST their own…? See: Supreme Court Justice, Clarence Thomas…. Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice… Former Secretary of State, Colin Powell (until he WOKE UP! and got kicked off the plantation)…etc.

    Joan Friendly

  7. Copious  •  Sep 15, 2007 @3:43 am

    I felt ill when I read this article, but I also decided to investigate the facts. Although the article is very hard-hitting, and there are a lot of prejudice views, we cannot always take what we see or hear at face value. Most of what Eric said is rubbish.

    Copious

  8. Ed  •  Sep 15, 2007 @3:47 am

    Eric, there was a time where we were forced into beliefs and systems, but now we are programmed against one another. That is why Bill Cosby made those statements and why you are using them against us. No one has to make a statement like this from the outside, it is already on the inside of most of us. I believe that the problem is now being addressed. I as a black male have made it my mission to take the lead and to pursue justice properly and to reveal the truth to our youth. My son will not be a statistic, nor will any youth that I come in contact with. I have made a declaration to be the example needed to pull them out of darkness and into the light of truth. God bears witness of this by the spirit, that He will release from slavery those who are willing to be released. God is the key, not politics, or any other thing. This is an information age, so we must arm ourselves with the proper information, and then execute expediantly. Be blessed and prosper in Jesus Christ.

    Edward Hawley
    North Carolina

  9. Jay  •  Sep 15, 2007 @3:50 am

    Reach the masses
    This is the reason for more people to get involved in activism instead of accepting awards, as a society we must be able to uplift each other so we can get rid of sterotypes like this one

    Jay Knight

  10. Jerry  •  Sep 15, 2007 @3:53 am

    You are pathethic, Eric. Now you have sunk to an all down low. You are juste “too white” to see or understand the plight of minorities in the conservative system.

    Jerry Saxz
    Ohio

  11. Lou Brown  •  Sep 15, 2007 @4:02 am

    I am a young black woman and I agree with Eric. We became blindly free. We were told the we could make own choices and decsions; but the whole time they were being influenced without you even knowing it.

    Every person that I know is in to fashion. We spend hundreds on baby phat,loui, channel, doomey and burke and so much more but we will not help out our fellow brother that is in need. And when we do come into some type of money we forget where we come from or all the people that helped us get there. We have free work trainning programs, free education, low income housing and welfare as forms of assistance to help us get on our feet. But most people use these forms of assistance as a way of life.

    Yea i got pissed at Eric’s statements like every other african american person. But he make a very valid point. I think he is far from being a racist. I just think that he just new the right words to hit home and wake some people up. I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He knew how the black community would take this. Especial comming from a white man.

    Now the question is will we continue to give validity to his view point. How many of us have decide to revamp ourlife styles since this article? Not many. Who decided that it was time for them to go back to school and become educated, not many. Who at least decided to pick up a book, not many. But I am more than sure that we all felt obligated to talk about Eric, call him a few choice words and call him a racist. All things happen for a reason. But i can tell by the wrinkle in your forehead that you still dont get it!!!

    Lou Brown
    New York

  12. George  •  Sep 15, 2007 @4:19 pm

    Clarence & Jamilla… sadly you two have demonstrated you are the racist and it seems both of you occupy the ranks of the extremely ignorant liberals, which is led by the likes of jerry the Dunce. I noticed that in your liberal arrogance you challenge Eric’s “research”, spewing ignorance and offer nothing but brain-dead rhetoric – no “research” to support your ignorant racism…

    Eric is offering criticism of our liberally based indoctrination centers that was once correctly referred to as “public education”. This view is promoted by many brilliant educators…

    If you would like to expand your horizons try reading articles by brilliant men like Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell; men with great minds – that happen to be black… I will even make things a little easier for your pea-brain …

    http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles.html

    Exploiting Ignorance - April 18, 2007
    The Shame of Higher Education - April 4, 2007
    College Stupidity - August 2, 2006
    Youth Indoctrination Update - March 15, 2006

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2007

    Aftermath of the 1960s? Tuesday Apr 24, 2007
    Adolescent Intellectuals Tuesday June 5, 2007
    Classroom brainwashing Tuesday Mar 14, 2006
    Education: then and now Thursday Jan 12, 2006
    Race and economics Friday Aug 25, 2006

    “Studies prove….” Wednesday Aug 9, 2006
    “Studies Prove”: Part II Thursday Aug 10, 2006
    “Studies Prove”: Part III Friday Aug 11, 2006

  13. George  •  Sep 15, 2007 @4:33 pm

    Joan… spoken like a true liberal racist! Insulting decent people and great achievers like Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice and Colin Powell. How Sad…

    And just because I disagree with some of Colin Powell’s politics does not mean that I don’t respect his achievements – only an idiot like you would make an absurd claim that he was kicked off “the plantation”… he was never on it… obviously you still are…

    The real blacks that are doing your so-called “white man’s” dirty work are the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton’s of the black community that endeavor to keep blacks on the liberal government plantation for a few table scraps from the likes of Hillary, Bubba and other power mongering liberals…

    I would suggest that you read some of the writings of Sowell and Williams… the education would serve you well if you read them with an open mind.

    http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles.html
    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2007

  14. George  •  Sep 15, 2007 @4:41 pm

    Ed… I am not sure what decade you are living in… If I understood your response it sounds like you are wanting to achieve goals blacks have already achieved within the greater society… If I understood your response correctly I would submit that the goals you are pursuing must be achieved with in the black community…

    I accept the idea offered by Cosby, Sowell, Williams and many other honorable blacks that once the dysfunctional black family unit is re-established and stabilized by the black community (not by a liberal government program - which caused the problem in the first place), many other problems you mentioned can be resolved with less work and frustration…

  15. George  •  Sep 15, 2007 @4:48 pm

    Lou… what do you think of ideas offered by Cosby, Williams, Sowell, et al… that believed it is not the white man that is important but re-establishing the black family unit… father-mother-children in a home, with children raised and moral character taught by parents and not some liberal racist in the less than adequate indoctrination centers called public schools; their children being taught to get an education before getting pregnant, don’t have children out of wedlock and get and keep a job… seems pretty simple does’t it?

  16. Jerry Saxz  •  Sep 16, 2007 @9:08 pm

    And another thing, why would an African American, who is the owner of this blog site, allow Eric and Georgy boy to write such vile things about African Americans and other ethnic minorities, referring to them as being dumb? Or maybe the owner do not know what he is. Or worse, he could be a sell-out like Bill Cosby, to his own people. I understand it could be tough out west hanging around the likes of Georgy boy and Eric.

    Jerry Saxz
    Ohio

  17. Eric  •  Sep 18, 2007 @6:50 pm

    Jerry, whatever!

  18. Eric  •  Sep 18, 2007 @7:02 pm

    Lou. Thank you….but now you are going to be bashed too!

    How dare you, as an African American, claim that hard work can set one free from prejudice? Are you one of the Cosby, Obama, Rice, Powell, successfull actors, players, musicians, business man of African Origins that cater to the racist white monsters?
    Just kidding…:-)

    I am an immigrant, legal on a green card and worked my butt off to become what I am and get what I have.
    I haven’t gotten any freebee since I moved here with my familly. My wife and I work…hard! I have been here since 1999, 6 jobs already…when in between “safe” jobs, I piled up temp clow paid night and day jobs to pay my bills…

    I am white? So what? Where I am now, I’ve got Americans of African origins making twice as much as me or managing business units…Am I surprised to see hard working people succeed? nope!

    I am racist? no….I just hate freeloaders and crying babies…especially on my dime. I don’t give a darn about color of religion…I despise lazy bums and think that self respect is earned through work and noit the price of the stupid tennis shoes one wears.

    The article I wrote is an official report from the State of California…I did not make it up, it made the news and is out there for you to get….I read it already and cannot read it for you…so much for the drive by professional offended for life bloggers that thought I made it up!

    Lou got “pissed” at me for the right reason. I angered her and she is honest enough to see my point….18 years in the military. “when the leader sits, the men lay”. Your leaders are not promoting pride, the necessary “stop moaning, get up and move” but self pity and entitlement.

    “stop moaning, get up and move”

  19. Eric  •  Sep 18, 2007 @7:07 pm

    Clarence…

    what part of “poor white and Asians” fare better than well-off Americans of African origins you did not get?
    What part of “Low income white or Asians are attending the same schools as low income Americans of African and Hispanic ancestry. The people who succeed in a poor environment are facing the same challenges and deficiencies as their failing kin. ” you did not get?

    What obstacle are you talking about? Any child, any color, can learn how to read and write, how to learn math or history…why is being black in a poor school preventing from learning? Can you expand please? I am really interested in your theory!

  20. Eric  •  Sep 18, 2007 @7:34 pm

    Joan…
    What the heck are you talking about….”the white man’s dirty job”…
    Do you feel so special that people cannot even talk about you without doing “the white man’s dirty job”!
    Do you feel victimized in the US?
    Share you story, your hatred/racism for the White men and the “house slaves”, the Americans of African origin that made it, worked hard for it and ended up doing pretty well for themselves! Do they make you look bad? Are you actually hoping that instead of having a 70% rate success at school (despite all the excuses…poor schools, families, blah blah), African American kids should only have 30%…to shove it the the racist bigot “white man”?

    Get over it! Most of the African American group does pretty well….thank you!

  21. Eric  •  Sep 18, 2007 @7:41 pm

    Copious….
    I am so honmored that you did some research….now…instead of being an empty blogger, can you elaborate and show why most of my conclusions/questions are bogus.

    I am a spong and love to learn….even from my mistakes!
    Go ahaed, please…make my day:

    A kid that has been permanently treated as a victim of a system cannot succeed in that system!

    Low income white or Asians are attending the same schools as low income Americans of African and Hispanic ancestry.

    The people who succeed in a poor environment are facing the same challenges and deficiencies as their failing kin.

    Some say the tests are biased because oriented to the white American culture. Would the kids fare better if African history and Mexican geography was addressed?

    And what about the failure in math?

    It looks like despite their being the wealthiest African and Hispanic communities in the world, presented with the most opportunities, they end up toping the lists for failure at school, chances of contracting HIV or getting diabetes, ending up in gangs, in jail. It is more than racism, lack of money, lack of opportunities.

    Is Bill Cosby right when he criticizes minorities “who put higher priorities on sport, fashion, and “acting hard” than on education, self-respect, and self-improvement”.

  22. Eric  •  Sep 18, 2007 @7:42 pm

    Ed…
    And I, as a White man, convey the same message to the kids I coach or deal with, no color excluded: get up and move, make it happen, be proud!

  23. Eric  •  Sep 18, 2007 @7:44 pm

    Jay….did not get it…
    I feel you do not support me and preach for a victimization-like activism!
    What about preaching pride, self sufficiency, education, bettering your life.

    What is your interest in keeping people down? Share your story! :-)

  24. Eric  •  Sep 18, 2007 @7:46 pm

    “the plight of minorities in the conservative system”….Jerry….MORON”!

    Go re-visit their life under Democrat systems:

    1 Andrew Jackson 04 Mar 1829 04 Mar 1837
    2 Martin Van Buren 04 Mar 1837 04 Mar 1841
    3 James Knox Polk 04 Mar 1845 03 Mar 1849
    4 Franklin Pierce 04 Mar 1853 04 Mar 1857
    5 James Buchanan 04 Mar 1857 04 Mar 1861
    6 Grover Cleveland 04 Mar 1885 04 Mar 1889
    Grover Cleveland 04 Mar 1893 04 Mar 1897
    7 Woodrow Wilson 04 Mar 1913 04 Mar 1921
    8 Franklin Delano Roosevelt 04 Mar 1933 12 Apr 1945
    9 Harry S. Truman 12 Apr 1945 20 Jan 1953
    10 John Fitzgerald Kennedy 20 Jan 1961 22 Nov 1963
    11 Lyndon Baines Johnson 22 Nov 1963 20 Jan 1969
    12 James Earl ‘Jimmy’ Carter 20 Jan 1977 20 Jan 1981
    13 William Jefferson ‘Bill’ Clinton 20 Jan 1993 20 Jan 2001

  25. Eric  •  Sep 18, 2007 @7:48 pm

    Jerry….
    Your question is stupid and show me where I called African Americans “dumb”…take your pills and go back to your sand box.

    And you, yes, I call you anything you want from Moron, stupid and dumb, because every day you make your case stronger….bye bye!

  26. Nelly Taskar  •  Nov 21, 2007 @2:36 am

    How to bit the barrier between wealth and poverty? Not everybody is born into the wealth. Many well-to-do people, or millionaires, are self-made. Unless you as smart and fortunate as Steven Spielberg or Bill Gates, both - college drop-outs, you have to make your own way out of poverty and misery step by step, which includes to find the way to make your living.

  27. ontonscrobe  •  Oct 23, 2008 @1:40 pm

    There was this guy see.
    He wasn’t very bright and he reached his adult life without ever having learned “the facts”.
    Somehow, it gets to be his wedding day.
    While he is walking down the isle, his father tugs his sleeve and says,

    “Son, when you get to the hotel room…Call me”

    Hours later he gets to the hotel room with his beautiful blushing bride and he calls his father,

    “Dad, we are the hotel, what do I do?”

    “O.K. Son, listen up, take off your clothes and get in the bed, then she should take off her clothes and get in the bed, if not help her. Then either way, ah, call me”

    A few moments later…

    “Dad we took off our clothes and we are in the bed, what do I do?”

    O.K. Son, listen up. Move real close to her and she should move real close to you, and then… Ah, call me.”

    A few moments later…

    “DAD! WE TOOK OFF OUR CLOTHES, GOT IN THE BED AND MOVED REAL CLOSE, WHAT DO I DO???”

    “O.K. Son, Listen up, this is the most important part. Stick the long part of your body into the place where she goes to the bathroom.”

    A few moments later…

    “Dad, I’ve got my foot in the toilet, what do I do?”

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